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_s4ao__
Maybe a controversial take, but I genuinely think a lot of 5th gen stans have become way too obsessed with visuals, especially when it comes to dragging other groups ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ And I don't mean every 5th gen stan, obviously. I'm talking about the type of stan who jumps on hate trains and constantly needs to bring another group down just to make their own group look better.. Because lately, the arguments are always the same: โ€œthey're ugly,โ€ โ€œvisual hole,โ€ โ€œmy group is way better lookingโ€ blah blah blah And I'm sorry butโ€ฆ do you guys actually hear yourselves? Like lmao Like, apparently your eyes aren't working, so what other senses should we check? ๐Ÿ˜ญ And BTS is such an easy example because you guys STILL use the same J-Hope picture every single time. Sometimes it's literally the exact same picture with a slightly different edit Please find a new argument ๐Ÿ˜‚ But okay, let's play along. Let's assume BTS are ugly. All of them. Fine, I'll give you that for the sake of the argument ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ Do you genuinely think Big Hit picked them because they were pretty? No. RM was the first member brought into what would become BTS, and the group was built around his musical ability. He was already known as a rapper and songwriter before debut. SUGA had his own experience as an underground rapper and producer. J-Hope was an accomplished dancer and performer. These were people who had actual skills worth investing in! They didn't need to be the prettiest people in the room. They needed to be fucking good. And obviously, yes, BTS being successful means they have money now. Of course they take care of themselves. Of course styling, skincare, makeup, hair, clothes, etc. make a difference. ๐Ÿคจ What do you expect? For them to stay broke, sleep four hours a night and walk outside looking like they just crawled out of a basement so you can keep calling them ugly? ๐Ÿ˜ญ Your idols do the exact same thing. And that's also why I find the โ€œmy group was chosen because they're just more talented AND prettierโ€ argument so funny Do you genuinely think there aren't thousands of talented trainees? Thousands of people who can sing? Thousands who can dance? Thousands who can rap? Thousands who can perform? Of course there are. So do you really think visuals had zero role in the casting of your idols, especially when we're talking about groups from huge companies? ๐Ÿฆง Be serious. K-pop is an image-based industry. Visuals obviously matter. And in 5th gen especially, companies are debuting groups where basically everyone already fits conventional beauty standards. So why are you pretending your group was chosen in some completely objective talent Olympics while everyone else was just there because they looked good? And here's the thing I REALLY don't understand: Being attractive and being insanely talented are not mutually exclusive. An idol can be gorgeous AND insanely talented. An idol can be considered unconventional-looking AND insanely talented. An idol can be called โ€œuglyโ€ by people online and still be the most important member of their entire group. Look at Soyeon. People have literally treated her as the โ€œless prettyโ€ member of (G)I-DLE, while she's one of the people most responsible for the group's music and identity. She writes, composes, raps, produces and has shaped the sound of the group. Or Jongho from ATEEZ. Main vocalist. Ridiculously strong singer. One of the members people constantly praise for his vocal ability. And let's say, hypothetically, Jongho was the ugliest man alive. I'M STILL TAKING HIM. Did his vocal cords disappear? No. Did his talent disappear? No. Did his stage presence disappear? No. Did his ability to contribute to the group suddenly get deleted? No. ๐Ÿ˜ญ So if I'm forming a group and someone tells me, โ€œYou can have Jongho, but he's ugly,โ€ I'm like okay??? Give him to me??? And honestly, I've started thinking that being called โ€œthe ugly memberโ€ is almost a compliment. Because think about what it actually means. If an idol doesn't perfectly fit whatever beauty standard people are using, and they still made it into the group, that means something else about them was so fucking good that their appearance didn't matter enough to stop them. They were THAT talented. THAT useful. THAT irreplaceable. So at this point, if someone tells me my fave is โ€œthe ugly member,โ€ I'm taking it as: Congratulations. Your fave is so fucking talented that even people who don't think they're attractive still can't deny that the group needs them. And honestly? That's a bigger compliment than being called pretty, cause dw we already know they are ๐Ÿคญ
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annaisanarchy
annaisanarchy
I really agree. Whenever I hear about an idol I don't know much about being called a visual hole, I just assume they're talented as hell, 'cause with the industry the way it is if they don't have the visuals they really gotta have something else. Your example of Soyeon is perfect - people insult her appearance, but without her i-dle wouldn't even exist. (I also happen to think she's stunning, and honestly that leads onto a whole new conversation about how beauty is incredibly subjective, but that might be a conversation for another day.)
_s4ao__
_s4ao__OP
Yeahh exactly ๐Ÿ˜ญ I didnโ€™t even know how bad it could get until I got more into K-pop fandoms. Some people genuinely go so far with it, and I donโ€™t really get the obsession. Like, these people are already among such a tiny percentage who actually made it into the industry, so thereโ€™s obviously something theyโ€™re good at. And honestly, I think Soyeon is just so pretty too ๐Ÿ˜ญ At some point it really feels like people criticize her looks because theyโ€™ve run out of anything else to say. Sheโ€™s so good at what she does that they just go for the easiest thing. I just wish people would distinguish between โ€œtheyโ€™re not my typeโ€ and โ€œtheyโ€™re ugly.โ€ The first one is completely subjective, but the second one is just unnecessarily harsh. You donโ€™t have to find an idol attractive to acknowledge that theyโ€™re objectively good-looking
d00dle
d00dle
I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's just 5th gen stans, but rather K-pop stans in general. It's becoming way too normalized to the point where talent is getting overshadowed now ๐Ÿ’”
_s4ao__
_s4ao__OP
Yeah I definitely get where youโ€™re coming from, and I agree that itโ€™s K-pop stans in general, but I do think 5th gen has pushed the whole โ€œperfect visualโ€ standard even further compared to older gens, especially 1stโ€“3rd gen! I feel like 4th gen is kind of in between depending on the group and agency, but with older gens, it really felt more like whoever fit the role best could have that position. ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ Like the main rapper didnโ€™t necessarily have to be conventionally pretty or even be a great dancer, they were there because they were good at rapping ๐Ÿ˜ญ And obviously most of the active fandom community nowadays consists of more recent-gen stans, so I get why you see it differently. but yeah, I definitely agree that talent is getting overshadowed. Even though I feel like with 5th gen, most idols are genuinely talented and thereโ€™s no need to lie about them being bad just because you donโ€™t like them, people will still automatically say the โ€œbetterโ€ one is the prettier one, and thatโ€™s the part that bothers me :/